# Context: # I was mining gold in a public open mine. A person who knew me, came and deeded over the veins, keeping my containers, ore, lumps and a furnace. # For a GM this isn't stealing. Not to mention this GMs seems to be amused by my sitation. # Game rules allow you to discuss with moderation via PM, but these discussions are usually looking like that: you try to use reasoning, # they tell you to report them to Enki (head GM), you report it to Enki, you wait 4-10 months and get no response, response that # "he will look into it" or this: "I have found no fault with their work! [...] These are good people and they # deserve a hell of a lot better! Logging started 2020-09-30 [22:02:10] Hello, GM responding to your support call 56978. [22:02:19] Hi. [22:03:03] Good day again, you can actually just grab the gold ore and lumps from the bulk bin outside the mine [22:03:16] I can't, it is deeded. [22:03:41] I hoped they will come to their senses and push it offdeed but they didn't. [22:03:55] Also they put pine door, can't enter anymore. [22:04:26] But it's bulk bin and you have the key to it, keys bypass permissions, you can just transfer the items to crates or so on your cart [22:04:27] I will travel there and show you okay? [22:05:01] Well there is a thousand ore and other bsb, the onee with hql one, no idea where is. [22:06:00] No need, I am already here, one bulk bin from you is outside the mine and available to you, ask them nicely and I'm sure they will prolly push the 2nd bin from the cave outside as well [22:06:13] They wont. [22:06:24] I asked them nicely to move it outside. [22:06:28] And they ignored me. [22:06:34] Then grab the ore from the bin that is availbale to you [22:06:46] I had two bins. [22:06:56] And they are mine, I would like them back plase. [22:06:56] Them you now have one :) [22:07:09] But these are my items. [22:07:48] I spend 4 days mining this, there are a lot of gold lumps and ore. [22:07:55] And it was offdeed public open mine. [22:08:17] But you left them where others can stop you from reaching the 2nd bin, thus grab what you can [22:08:42] You are a GM and stealing is not allowed, why can't you order them to push my property offdeed? [22:08:54] I didn't left them. [22:09:04] I was forced exit the mine. [22:09:22] And how on earth I am supposed to remove all these items without a vehicle?? [22:10:19] Make a vehicle? :) [22:10:24] Make? [22:10:33] How I am supposed to pass the mine door? [22:10:38] And I can't pick it or load. [22:10:56] I have now 3 times told you that 1 bulk bin is outside the cave and freely available to you [22:11:08] It isn't, it is on deed. [22:11:17] And I had two of them, the other is with high ql gold. [22:11:25] And they hid it somewhere. [22:11:37] I have also told you already that you have the key to that bulk bin and can bypass deed permissions [22:11:50] Can I enter closed door? [22:11:57] And no, I don't have a key to this bsb. [22:12:02] I never needed it. [22:12:09] Platyna, yws, you have the key, it's in your house [22:12:15] I do? [22:12:23] So can I enter the mine and load other bsb? [22:13:11] Platyna, if you refuse to understand what I say, now for the 4th time: one bulk bin with gold ore and lumps is OUTSIDE the mine and freely available to you [22:13:46] How about the other one? [22:14:17] You cannot get to the other one, take what you can take and move on [22:14:32] There is all ore I mined. [22:14:40] Like 1500 lumps. [22:14:45] Why you allow bad people steal? [22:14:52] I mined it in a public mine it is mine. [22:15:34] Because there is no stealing, just founding of a deed, you have free access to 900 gold lumps and 300 ores, take that and move on [22:16:09] Never heard about that a person who founds a deed gets any propery rights to locked bsbs on this deed. [22:16:14] Where is the play nice rule? [22:16:31] That bin is outside the mine and you have the key to it in your house [22:16:33] I am sorry but I would like to have all my items back including bsbs themselves please. [22:17:06] Please you aare omnipotent, can't you just move my bsbs on perimeter? [22:17:12] It is not that I can mine any vein. [22:17:20] Not from a GM, I already told you how you can secure one bin, the 2nd bin you can only get access to by using diplomacy [22:17:50] You are a GM you shouldn't allow stealing. [22:18:17] It is not stealing, they cannot use the items from your 2nd bin too [22:18:34] Yes, and this is handbook griefind. [22:18:37] Griefing. [22:19:28] Founding a deed is not griefing, and that is my decision, grab what you can access, forget the rest or use diplomacy to gain access to it [22:19:42] Founding a deed to steal someone items is griefing. [22:19:54] I am an ASD person, I don't have any diplomacy skills. [22:20:12] Not to mention that person I considered a friend and he was ablee to deed it just because I liked him and trusted. [22:20:32] And he wiill never give me these items back without a GM telling him to do so. [22:20:57] Why you make fun of me and want to humiliate me? [22:20:59] I already told you 5 times now how you can take half of it anyway [22:21:22] And I told you that I would like to take all my items from their deed. [22:21:30] I kindly asked you to help me. [22:21:57] How we, new players are supposed to enjoy the game if things like that are allowed by GMs? [22:23:30] I have all my keys in inventory and can't load the bsb. [22:23:42] you can open it [22:23:52] But I would like to get my bsbs back. [22:24:07] You won't [22:24:14] Please can I have another GM to handle my ticket? [22:24:28] Costs you prolly 10 minutes to make a new bulk bin, lol [22:24:29] I know you don't like me, and you want to make me feel miserable now. [22:24:53] And I can't mine 1500 ore. [22:25:14] I have a heavy anxiety in mines, I need to mine very close to the opening. [22:25:20] It is in the log. [22:25:35] And all cases I ever knew about a GM allowed an owner to remove items. [22:26:10] This is my property, it is locked and owned by me, I should be allowed to take it. [22:26:13] I told you 5 times now that the bin in the mine is lost to you unless you talk to these guys, now grab what you can and move on, feel free to complain about me to Enki [22:26:40] Please redirect my ticket to another GM. [22:27:54] Like I said above, feel free to complain about me to Enki [22:30:18] I hope you enjoyed being so rude to a person who expected your help. [22:31:19] Please redirect my ticket to Enki then. [22:33:52] Not possible, you have to do the complaining in a forum PM to ENki [22:34:04] It is possible as it was done once. [22:34:47] I hope someone one day will treat you like you treated me. Unfriendly, unsympathetic and not caring if a customer enjoyes their experience or not. [22:35:10] You could solve my problem in 5 seconds. [22:35:23] You have a power to transport stolen goods anywhere in Wurm, but no. [22:36:57] It took me 4 days to mine this and smelt, and it was a rare opportunity for me to improve my mining skills. That is so sad. [22:37:20] I will not have this chance any soon.