# Context: # I was being constantly scolded on CA_HELP when offered comprehensive or related information or tried to show a different way to answer a question or pointed out false information. # This was also my CA application rejection reason, it was reduced to "pointless discussions". Other staff members did the same, and even other players, but it was me who was scolded every time. # Some players were standing up for me and tried to argue but they were berated too. I removed unrelated parallel discussions from this log, raw version available on request. # Related forum thread: https://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/176090-levelling-vs-digging-skill-gain-per-minute-per-task/ [10:46:04] Plat being scolded on CA_HELP - checked. [10:51:27] Platyna- You aren't being scolded on CAHelp. GL and Freedom will know about Global castings more so than CA. [10:51:50] Silvirwolfe it was a joke. [10:52:09] To some, it isn't a joke. [10:52:40] I have no idea Silvirwolfe why you keep picking on me? [10:52:57] I don't? [10:53:18] Silvirwolfe and this rude posting in my leveling thread, what it was if not picking on me? [10:53:20] I am just clarifying things. [10:55:24] I have not been rude. I have been straightforward. [10:55:45] You were rude, I kindly asked to clarify your input and you went all personal on me. [10:56:00] You made 3 or 4 completely meaningless posts. [10:56:06] can the both of you take your bickering to PMs [10:56:16] And it is really uncomfortable for a regular user to read somethig from a staff member. [10:56:19] But..I alreayd made the popcorn! [10:56:55] Platyna thye are not staff they are volenteers regular players that have been appointed as CAs [10:57:07] CAs and CMs are staff members. ;) [10:57:21] Still volunteers [10:57:22] Not offically they are not paid [10:57:28] A volunteer can be a staff member. [10:57:30] we are normal players too, when we act as staff we have some extra tools for that [10:57:47] I carry a staff around with me [10:58:01] Anyway no person making a joke can guarantee it will hit the taste of all audience. [10:58:14] Platyna if you have an issue file a support ticket [10:58:20] Especially when where are here from all different countries and cultures. [10:58:31] I don't annoy GMs with stupid things. ;) [10:58:35] At least I try. [10:59:24] so I've not been paying any mind to CA ever since it became common for people to leave of the yo in their you but the guidance that is best is that its for questions and answers about gane mechanics [11:00:14] discussion or questions about players, the community, or prices should go elsewhere to help keep the channel clear for those who have questions about the mechanics [11:00:19] I do not argue any usability or purpose of CA_HELP. [11:00:42] So... [11:00:50] just trying to help quantify the guidelines # I tried to change the subject as it started to be heated and personal: [11:00:50] What is your favourite paving and why? [11:01:24] Platyna did no one ever teach you just t drop thing you seem intent on diiging your self a hole and pssing poeple off [11:01:25] unfinished catseyes [11:01:49] i dont pave, i did it just for title [11:01:57] Welcome back Andromas *hands him popcron* Enjoy the show [11:02:02] best pavement is cave tile [11:02:23] Fatherdredge So, what is your favourite pavement and why? ;-) # Then a staff member's (CA Sivirwolfe's) husband decided to step in calling me names and threatening me (which is against the Wurm rules but obviously staff members and their families are excluded, I was never apologized for this: # There are several other people that bullied and spread gossip about me that I steal and scam, because they didn't like my price information on Trade channel (sic!) [11:40:55] Platyna: Bitch you ain't seen hateful until you wake up papa bear treating people like shit in GL [11:41:22] you best calm your attitude, and shelf it [11:41:39] O.o [11:42:04] I thought the rules say we ain't allowed to threaten people? [11:42:14] fuck them rules [11:42:34] I've threatened people in very creative ways [11:43:31] I have heard from people who not to trust so I don't think Uisge is wrong [11:44:43] So you prefer other people to select you friends and foes? [11:44:51] can you trust me [11:45:20] I treat everyone equally until you attack people I care for [11:45:35] I dont see how we can not trust you [11:45:48] at some point in wurm you always need to store lot [11:46:21] lol and trustworthy storage is extremely important [11:46:31] People are people :) [11:46:34] yes so send all your valuables to me to store # The discussion died out and then was resumed by the CA, she said she was crying because of my joke so I apologized to her. [13:04:40] Uisge is my husband. He posted after I was frustrated and crying this morning from just saying [03:51:28] Platyna- You aren't being scolded on CAHelp. GL and Freedom will know about Glob [13:04:54] Fail [13:05:28] I am sorry that your comment made you upset. [13:05:38] I didn't meant it to be like that. [13:05:53] Wasn't meant for GL. [13:05:56] failing in wurm is like failing in life.. tru dat :) [13:06:49] Well I never expected such outcome from this innocent joke. [13:07:16] Or rather innocent-as-I-thought it is. [13:07:33] MY comment didn't make me cry Platyna. [13:08:09] As far as I understood my comment made you cry. [13:08:11] At any rate, i am over it, I was talking to someone else about it. [13:08:30] And I really do not enjoy making people cry. [13:08:41] So I am sorry for it. [13:10:16] I linked the wrong thing in GL this week, was getting ready for a week ban [13:10:30] so we've all been there and posted the wrong thing in GL, I get you [13:10:34] I cry everytime someone paves a shore tile # After the first part of the discussion I got this from a Lead Chat Moderator, this a complete and uncut log: # To make a long story short I was threatened with a permanent removal from the game. This staff member was # constantly challenging my autism diagnosis, and she has shown the lack of knowledge about ASD, because she # implicated that high intelligence is something it is sufficient to understand complext social interactions. # This is a GM I had most mixed feeling to because she could very polite and helpful to me to be like the below the other day. Logging started 2020-07-11 [11:45:04] Hello [11:45:11] Hi. [11:45:32] We need to talk [11:45:37] Ok. [11:45:46] What happened? [11:45:50] Actually, I need to talk and you need to listen carefully, and decide for yourself # This is a reference to my forum post about GM Daciana's unprofessional actions, where I kindly asked for a clear and # simple communication especially when giving GM rulings and GM orders. I wasn't the one raising this issue of vagueness of staff, # but threads commenting on GM actions are usually instantly deleted and the author is punished as they are considered # "Challenging the moderation" and this is against the game rules. [11:46:37] Icount on your intelligence to take things seriously; running and posting on forum and / or in chats isn't going to help you in any way [11:46:48] WHat did I post? [11:46:50] Now, on the subject [11:47:16] Ever since you started playing, you created nothing but troubles, in game and in chats [11:47:40] People complained about you, players and staff alike, we have countless logs and pms # I thought is about the griefing neighbours of mine. [11:47:52] This is not true, other people had issues with Katherine too. [11:48:02] Can you tell me exactly what do people complain about? [11:48:19] I understand you have a condition, and that's why you got a lot of leniency from us [11:48:43] I don't understand what I am doing wrong. [11:48:52] But we cannot tolerate forever disruptive players, players who only spoil the game for others [11:49:17] How I am disruptive? # Here I was certain that WO staff listens to hearsay and gossip without requiring any evidence to back these claims. How do I know? Because none of it ever happened. # Not to mention that scamming is a bannable offence. Who would believe that they can't give me a break about an unfortunate joke but give me leniency for scamming people? # If she educated herself about ASD she would know that deception requires complex social perspective-taking, impairment of these is one of diagnostic criteria, # while we are socially awkward and have peculiar sense of humour. [11:49:46] You antagonize people, you try to take advantage of new players, you argue in every single chat, you always have to have the last word, even when staff tells you to stop [11:50:04] So you got the gossip about me abusing new players? [11:50:12] You decide how the roads must look to please you, and disregard the wishes of those who built them, and so on [11:50:12] Was any proof of this provided? [11:50:47] Platyna, I am not here to chat with you, to provide proof, and to argue endlessly over things [11:51:15] I never ever took an advantage to new players, this is some people from Xanadu who says so. I don't want to argue but I woould like to defend myself. [11:51:23] I came to give you a last warning: if you enjoy Wurm and want to keep playing, do your best to change your attitude and integrate with the community [11:51:37] And I only change pavement when an owner wants it and on around allied deeds. [11:51:41] Everyone "says so", and you are always innocent [11:51:54] This has come to an end [11:51:56] The gossip about me scamming and stealing started from this: [11:52:21] Again, listen carefully: change your attitude, or you will be removed from Wurm [11:52:51] https://pastebin.com/PJ2Eupb1 [11:53:06] But what exactly I am supposed to change? I help new players and fix roads. [11:53:12] What exactly do I do wrong? [11:53:35] Read your own logs from the day you started playing until now [11:53:50] Can you give me some examples? [11:53:51] I already listed you a long line of things you are doing [11:54:25] No, i'm not giving any examples, i gave you a last warning [11:54:33] Look, I have this game paid until like Feb 2021, I am very ill, immunosupressed I live in insolation for 8 month, this and facebook is my only contact wiwth the world. [11:54:50] And I have no idea why people are reacting on me they they do, but i never scammed anyone or stolen. [11:54:54] I postponed doing this for a couple weeks, thinking you will slowly start to blend with the rest of the players [11:55:00] I know all the rules, I am one of few people who actually read them. [11:55:19] Then you know this, too [11:55:21] Wurm Online may suspend, modify, terminate, or delete any player account at any time for any reason without notice. [11:55:30] Look, if you will not explain me what exactly I do wrong, how I am supposed to change my behaviour? [11:55:54] I told you what are you doing wrong [11:56:08] That's all i have to say [11:56:10] Tell me some, at least a few particular situations. [11:56:29] Please, don't be like that to me, help me. [11:56:52] While personally I would regret to have to remove you from the game, i will not hesitate to do it, if you force my hand [11:57:06] I got wrongly accused on doing things I never did, if you have an evidence I scammed or stolen, ban me, but at least show it to me. [11:57:14] How? [11:57:22] I can't see what I am doing wrong. [11:57:40] If you will not help me to see it, i have no chance to modify my behaviour. [11:57:55] I will give you an example from earlier today [11:57:57] I do not pave roads against anyone wishes. [11:58:07] Plat being scolded on CA_HELP - checked. [11:58:31] It was a joke, other people do even rude or political jokes. [11:58:41] I explainend it was a joke. [11:59:08] You cannot help yourself to comment at anything, yo ualways have to have the last word; yesterday when I had to interfere in GL you still had to comment a couple minutes later [11:59:28] Your jokes are upsetting and crossing the line [11:59:32] Yes, I am chatty and I like discussing... [11:59:40] So, no jokes about staff? [12:00:04] No inappropriate jokes, no matter if about staff or not [12:00:24] Few days ago you make inappropriate jokes about americans # This is that innapropriate joke (about American's leaving for 4th of July celebrations: # [12:19:55] Tommorow a great day, no Murricans in Wurm. # They tried to make an American hater despite the fact I clearly stated it is a joke. [12:00:40] This is vague claim, we are from different cultures. [12:00:50] Damn it was a really classic joke. [12:00:51] Heh. [12:00:59] But indeed ASD people have problems with jokes. [12:01:08] So I can get banned for jokes? [12:01:27] Why wont you just mute me? [12:01:32] You can get banned for upsetting too many people; and you wouldn't be the first one [12:01:52] I upset some people from big Xana alliance by making a price check with a link. [12:02:05] Did you read the link? All this you describe started from this. [12:02:23] Last time you got muted you made a forum post and put in a /support ticket; I'm not sure if you don't want or are unable to accept there are rules to follow [12:02:25] I started getting info from people that they was told to avoid me because I scam and steal. [12:02:33] I never got muted. [12:03:12] Right, you got banned for disobeying GM directive, but point is you still wanted to be on top of what you were told [12:03:14] And I made a ticket to get the rule cited, and my forum thread was about a bit more improvement of communication with ASD people not the issue itself, it was just an example. [12:03:27] This is the problem, a GM never told me this directive. [12:03:40] I do obey all GM directives I know about. [12:04:02] Try to put myself in my shoes - after this talk I will be afraid to chat and build roads. [12:04:14] And even contact newbies. [12:04:42] All my roads have a disctinctive pavement pattern you can see there are all around allied deeds. [12:04:58] Try and don't remove waystones placed by other people, make roads where they are wanted, talk with people but respect them, their opinions, nationalities and generally, respect them [12:05:15] I do always think hard before removing any waystone. [12:05:32] And I have no idea what made you to think I do not respect other people nationalities. [12:05:36] I do respect people. [12:05:53] I know Polish people are opinion of nationalists and racists but this definitely NOT ME. [12:06:00] Good, then you will have no further issues with anyone [12:06:06] Well [12:06:15] Xanadu people spread rumors about me. [12:06:22] People who n ever met me hate me. [12:06:33] And I never ever made a road against someones wishes! [12:06:43] My main work is to repair and improve roads. [12:07:02] Ok [12:07:07] Pick a random road within 1k tiles here and check signatures on catseyes. [12:07:20] I really need examples of my bad behaviour to modify it. [12:07:23] And I do. [12:07:49] Keep in mind what we talked today, you say people are hating you, but people don't start hating someone without ever interacting with them, a way or another [12:07:50] Any GM directive I knew about was obeyed, I didn't knew I am forbidden from talking with merfin. [12:08:00] They do. [12:08:09] Look on this guy on the channel. [12:08:27] I can provide you my full log set to grep - I never had any interation with him and he wrote that: [12:08:55] [11:40:55] Platyna: Bitch you ain't seen hateful until you wake up papa bear treating people like shit in GL [12:09:28] People DO listen too hearsay. [12:09:39] Please go see my roads. [12:09:51] I do care about all the roads within 1k tiles from here. [12:10:04] Do you realise people play multiple characters? [12:10:05] If I can't build and modify roads then it is kinda pointless for me to be here. [12:10:13] I found numerous bugs. [12:10:48] You can have a bad interaction with one, then another one of the same player snipe at you [12:11:32] You can build roads, i never said you cannot, but do not change other peoples work if they didn't specifically asked for it [12:11:33] People gossip and backbite. [12:12:09] You can't change roads on deed perimeters without deed owner permission. [12:12:22] So even if I wanted to do that, it would be technically not possible. [12:12:23] Come. [12:12:40] Where we stand now will be tunnel thru R20. [12:12:51] That will improve the communication ins a whole SE Ind. [12:13:01] I started at mining 2. [12:13:27] Cotton. [12:13:30] I give it to newbies. [12:13:38] Not all [12:13:43] As I have many. [12:13:45] This road. [12:13:56] Check catseyes, Retrograde planted them. [12:14:28] But when we had a misunderestanding and I thought he doesn't want this road, I brought a BSB and asked him to remove markers so I can remove the road. [12:14:41] There are many catseyes and waystones planted by GMs all over Wurm [12:14:51] This were planted on my request. [12:15:03] Oaks. [12:15:15] You can forage, botanize and do archeology on all my land. [12:15:38] Come, tell me if I am wworth something. [12:15:43] Try and work out the way people are perceiving you [12:15:55] Free horses. [12:16:29] If this was so simple there would be no problems with ASD people. [12:16:47] You are very intelligent, but also stubborn and not willing to listen [12:16:50] I have no idea why do people react agressively for me. [12:17:17] Not true. I do listen but i need something I can understand. [12:17:23] My newest road here. [12:17:36] Doesn't obstruct the view anymore, and no high slopes. [12:18:25] But all this is on our alliance land. [12:18:56] These trees I planted, this is public, not deeded orchard. [12:19:49] And now it is all wort nothing because I am being judged on gossip and bad jokes. [12:20:29] Is not only that, remember in this area you got over the head of everyone to make the landscape look the way you like it [12:20:51] People moved away from here just to don't live near you and don't have to interact with you anymore [12:21:06] I will tell you what will be the course of action - I will do something petty, that everyone else would easily get away with and get banned anyway. [12:21:29] How can you say this if the griefing tickets were ruled on my behalf by you? [12:21:42] No, we are not trying to get rid of you, we are trying to give you one last chance to integrate [12:22:06] How can you say I am at fault that griefers moved away, if the rulings were on my favor? [12:22:30] I didn't rule them fully on your favor [12:22:46] And some oof them got banned? And now e.g. Katherince moved away and has problem with her new neighbour too. [12:23:06] They griefed me for modifying my perimeter. [12:23:16] And wasn't only me, there were a lot of GMs having to deal with tickets here [12:23:23] And they lied to GMs that I want to block their mine entrances and water access. [12:24:02] Let's not get back to what happened in the past [12:24:14] You mentioned it, and I never ever tried to block anything. [12:24:47] Think of the future, consider what I told you and try to change some of your attitude [12:25:22] For now I only know about bad jokes, and that I scam and steal. [12:26:01] Anyway, there is no point of all that, I am going to get pwned anyways. [12:26:17] I hope to see you for better reasons next time, I really do [12:26:25] Too many influencial peoople hate me. [12:26:43] And you won't get "pwned" if you don't give us a reason to do so [12:26:50] Nobody hates you [12:26:55] Because I didn't let them fool people to pay for their items 5x as they are worth. [12:27:16] But I used data - I was giving unedited logs, and links to forum. [12:27:38] Read this Astarte, I know you are busy, but this is how it started: https://pastebin.com/PJ2Eupb1 [12:28:07] They have a secret channel on discord where do tell their alllies to repeat that I e. g. scammed a newbie out of 30s. [12:28:22] So if now GMs believe that, I am kinda out. [12:28:34] Put those people on ignore, don't argue with them, play and enjoy the game at your own pace; if you didn't scam anyone, is just a rumor [12:28:59] On the beginning of this discussion you said I abused new players, so you believe in it. [12:29:06] Believe me, no one was banned on false claims; we do not take things lightly [12:29:26] You were just abbout to ban me for arguing on chat channels. [12:29:34] Yes, I read pms, and we had complaints from various people [12:29:57] Did they provided the evidence of their claims? Can I at least have a fair trial? [12:30:14] Alright, you are already twisting my words, I believe I said everything I have to say [12:30:22] I crossed my roads with a huge Xanadu mob-like alliance that is terrorizing people to keep prices high. [12:30:27] You will be getting PMs. [12:30:56] Yesterday a person got angry at me and publicly called to ignore me just because I have a better compass than her. [12:30:56] Happy wurming and try do not get in troubles, they can turn out more serious than you want [12:31:10] Well I can't build roads or chat on channels. [12:31:18] I am now very upset. [12:31:43] I can stop making jokes, but I am afraid this is not going to stop people from making false claims about me. [12:32:28] I never tried to block other people resources, I never stolen or scammed anymore. [12:32:31] anyone. [12:32:36] Mute me on GL and Freedom. [12:32:39] Best optiion/ [12:33:04] But I afraid it will not stop backbiting [12:33:05] Astarte is not currently available, please try again later. # In an "unlimited possibilities sandbox RPG" I got scolded for improving and beautifying public roads...which is allowed by the rules. # I got severaly stressed after this conversation as I had a subscription already paid up, it caught me in a very bad time so # I basically got a nervous breakdown, and disabled GL channel for 6 months.